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PepsiCan 07/20/10 10:08 PM
sofaking 07/20/10 10:13 PM
PepsiCan 07/20/10 10:24 PM
Gibbs7 07/20/10 10:14 PM
XO Historian 07/20/10 10:19 PM
Gibbs7 07/20/10 10:34 PM
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XO Historian 07/21/10 04:25 AM
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XO Historian 07/23/10 03:32 AM
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Author: PepsiCan [1665] (I like turtles)

Posted: 07/20/10 10:08 PM

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musical acts of all time.

1) Bob Dylan

2) U2

3) The Rolling Stones

That is all.


 


Author: sofaking [637]

Posted: 07/20/10 10:13 PM

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Explain why or how Bob Dylan is overrated.

 


Author: PepsiCan [1665] (I like turtles)

Posted: 07/20/10 10:24 PM

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Have you seen him live? Probably the worst performance I have ever seen in my life.

He has like 4 good songs yet is regarded as one of the greatest song writers of all time. His songs are boring and he can't even sing them well.


 


Author: Gibbs7 [5224] (*picks feet in Poughkeepsie*)

Posted: 07/20/10 10:14 PM

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Nope:

Eagles

Fleetwood Mac

Grateful Dead


 


Author: XO Historian (renada)

Posted: 07/20/10 10:19 PM

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I get the other two... but the Eagles? Nah.

 


Author: Gibbs7 [5224] (*picks feet in Poughkeepsie*)

Posted: 07/20/10 10:34 PM

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From The Big Lebowski: (Eagles hate worth $150k)

They (Coens) asked T-Bone Burnett to pick songs for the soundtrack of the film. However, he had a tough time securing the rights to Townes Van Zandt's cover of the Rolling Stones' "Dead Flowers", which plays over the film's closing credits. Former Stones manager Allen Klein owned the rights to the song and wanted $150,000 for it. Burnett convinced Klein to watch an early cut of the film and remembers, "It got to the part where the Dude says, 'I hate the fuckin' Eagles, man!' Klein stands up and says, 'That's it, you can have the song!' That was beautiful".

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The start of pop rock. Plus, $200 bucks to see their crap?


 


Author: XO Historian (renada)

Posted: 07/20/10 10:19 PM

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U2 FTW.

 


Author: Supe ("can you eat prestige?")

Posted: 07/21/10 03:54 AM

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The Stones were pretty edgy, though they became boring in the reemergence of late. I agree with your statement if limited to the late Stones.

 


Author: XO Historian (renada)

Posted: 07/21/10 04:25 AM

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Aren't the Rolling Stones considered cultural thieves in musical circles? I believe they've admitted as much themselves.

 


Author: Supe ("can you eat prestige?")

Posted: 07/22/10 08:24 AM

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Yes, but that doesn't mean they didn't bring the attitude.

 


Author: Robin Finck (brushing so hard my gums bleed master man)

Posted: 07/21/10 12:26 PM

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Beatles.

 


Author: Gibbs7 [5224] (*picks feet in Poughkeepsie*)

Posted: 07/22/10 06:13 PM

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On the flip side, the Beach Boys are likely one of the most underrated.

 


Author: securityeven

Posted: 07/22/10 06:14 PM

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wtf?

 


Author: Gibbs7 [5224] (*picks feet in Poughkeepsie*)

Posted: 07/22/10 06:19 PM

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Exactly.

Brian Philips was a fucking genius. Good Vibrations was even Paul McCartney's favorite song. Nothing today compares technically. Hell, most bands only use a couple chords.


 


Author: securityeven

Posted: 07/22/10 06:19 PM

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Roxette is better than they are.

 


Author: Gibbs7 [5224] (*picks feet in Poughkeepsie*)

Posted: 07/22/10 06:29 PM

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Early 90's band? I vaguely remember them from CYO dances in junior high.

 


Author: cbomo [2423] (living in absurdity)

Posted: 07/23/10 02:29 AM

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yes, completely agree

 


Author: securityeven

Posted: 07/21/10 01:00 PM

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A lot of overrated bands in this thread. I'd like to add Roxette to the list. How can you call yourself a band when you can't even fix the gap in your teeth?

 


Author: Gibbs7 [5224] (*picks feet in Poughkeepsie*)

Posted: 07/21/10 08:24 PM

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Irving Berlin

 


Author: MindTheGap76 [820]

Posted: 07/22/10 12:50 PM

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Mozart

 


Author: XO Historian (renada)

Posted: 07/22/10 01:53 PM

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Over-rated from a pop culture understanding, but incredibly innovative if you look back at pre- and then post-Mozart composition. The same could be said of Beethoven, perhaps to a greater extent. Mozart was working with less, instrumentally, but his chamber music and writing for certain instruments (e.g. French Horn) was outstanding. And who can forget his operas?

Most people have no idea who Mahler or Stravinsky were, so perhaps in that sense they are under-rated in the pop culture. However, among people who know classical music, I think you'd find that Mozart is certainly not over-rated, but given an appropriate place in the pantheon.


 


Author: Gibbs7 [5224] (*picks feet in Poughkeepsie*)

Posted: 07/22/10 06:08 PM

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I always fault him for having a natural edge, and perhaps then things came easier to him, thus he 'under performed' while Beethoven actually had to work for it (better to be lucky than good?). Both were innovative, but its Beethoven who is credited with being transformational and ushering in the Romantic era, while maybe had Mozart not gone around fucking skanks his whole life, that could have been him.

 


Author: XO Historian (renada)

Posted: 07/23/10 03:32 AM

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Without looking up their life spans, I'd say that Beethoven's longevity skews things greatly in his favor. Coming after Mozart and Bach certainly didn't hurt, either. The other edge I'd give to Beethoven is that his output was actually less, despite his increased longevity. Mozart produced far more music, along the lines of a Bach or Haydn (maybe less than Bach, but he wrote just as many symphonies as Hadyn, which is a truly ridiculous feat if you think about it--well over 100!) One hears so much Mozart (or Bach or Haydn) that it becomes dilluted.

Further to the point of timing, certain instruments just had not been explored and incorporated yet--think of the contributions that the clarinet, cello, stringed base, timpani, and trombone made in later music. Hell, replace the harpsichord with the piano and consider the possibilities there. You just could not have had romantic era chamber music without the vast improvements in the piano. Even if you only make that one switch, it opens up so many avenues...

Ultimately, Beethoven was amazing, but his timing was also impeccable.


 


Author: MindTheGap76 [820]

Posted: 07/22/10 07:14 PM

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Perhaps he has his place in history in terms of the development of music. But he was a McMusic machine and very few of his pieces seem to reflect any sort of careful composition. They couldn't?he wrote over 600 pieces in a bit over 35 years. That is like a piece of music every two weeks from birth to death. He was the John Philips Sousa of his era.

I'm judging overrated based on how much play he gets on classical music radio and by symphonies and chamber groups. I just cringe whenever I see Mozart on the program.

Bach had a similar output (1000 pieces in 65 years), but he is, IMO, significantly better.


 


Author: XO Historian (renada)

Posted: 07/23/10 03:43 AM

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Uh, yeah, I said much of this above, before reading this. His operas and chamber music stand the test of time, along with several of the symphonies (K.144 comes to mind).

I'm a huge troll for both the Romantic Era and for American composers, but one simply must acknowledge Mozart, Hadyn, and Bach.

I don't think there is much comparison between Mozart and Sousa. This is a huge slap in the face to Mozart. You're really comparing these two? The only way I can see this is if you strip Mozart down to merely his Overtures. All his other writing shows an innovation and understanding of melody that was ahead of his time. Sousa isn't even the 10th best American composer and is known for writing catchy tunes during a period of nationalism and nostalgia, when American pop culture was young and brain dead. Sousa is well known, fan-friendly, but ultimately boring.

As far as American composers go, just off the top of my head, I'd say that Copland, Samuel Barber, Ives, Glass, David Diamond, John Adams, Gerschwin, Bernstein, Duke Ellington, and Stephen Foster are the best. Sousa goes in a category with John Williams and Irving Berlin, below these fellows in my opinion.

I'm divided between Copland and Barber as the best American composer, FWIW.


 



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